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some whole nations and seigniories of Catholiques, and not acknowledged for
such (not animitus,6 as many observant and unpartiall travellers can tell) of many
good Catholiques in Italic and Rome itself.
And heer by the way I crave leave to moove two queries: 1. If it was a true
general! councell of the whole Catholique church, and so did not, nor could
erre in ulla re adfidem moresque Christianorum spectante,7 in what case are those
many thousands of Catholiques who doe refuse to receave it, being8 nothing
else (as in theire printed bookes they have published) but a private conventicle of
the pope? 2.Whether they that reject it beleive all the same thinges which they
doe who receive it? and if so, whether they have both one reason and ground of
their beleif? Of what hath bene said, this to me seemeth to be a sequele, that rebus
sic stantibus ut stans,9 we are not bound under paine of damnation to communi¬
cate with the church of Rome in those thinges which in our conscience we
thinke erroneous and unlawful!, but only in the rest which are not so: and this
we doe, for we doe not relinquish the communion of the Catholique church,
but of a Catholique church corrupted, and that only in so farre forth as she is
corrupted, retaining still an internall communion with her in fidefundamentali et
charitate,"' and an external! too, in the profession of one faith, one baptisme, yea
and in one preisthood, and sacrifice or sacrament of the altar, exclusis erroribus et
superstitionibus, quas multo ante reformationem quam plurimi pii omnium ordinum,
imperatores, reges, principes, viri ecclesiastid etc. viderunt,gemuerunt, et ut tollerentur omnes
conates adhibuerunt.'1
If it be objected that we are guilty of the schism so long as we communicate
with them that are schismaticall, in that they exclude all that live and die in the
communion of the present church of Rome, from all hope of salvation, I answer:
1 .That there are but few that are so: 2.That by them who make partem maiorem et
meliorem}2 they are refuted, and condemned as schismaticks or schismatically dis¬
posed. 3. That our communicating with them in sacramentis Christi maketh us
not schismaticks, so long as we openly dissent from them in erroribus vulgvfi and
‘in any matter having respect to the faith and the morals of Christians’.
8 the word is preceded by a stray (.
‘matters being as they are’.
10 ‘in basic faith and love’.
11 ‘excluding errors and superstitions, which indeed long before the Reformation many pious men
of all orders—emperors, kings, princes, church men, etc.—saw, bemoaned, and made every effort that
these should be removed’.
12 ‘the greater and better part’.
13 ‘in the sacraments of Christ ...in the errors of the people’.

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